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yogen2022-01-21 08:53 pm
mermaidcursed) wrote in yogen2022-01-21 08:53 pm
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Who: Nene Yashiro, Nagito Komaeda, Rio Ranger
What: just a nice chat :)
When: mid-january
Where: crafts room
Warnings: probably none, but will edit if needed
( if it's ever been discussed, nene's not aware of it- the tally marks and the ability to remove them, that is. but she's one of the people with only one mark on her wrist, left in view for the world to see. she understands why others hide theirs... but it's not something she ever saw a reason to do herself, and thus, from day one it's been out in the open.
so she's probably one of the best people for an experiment... if she was aware of it.
but that's what this afternoon is for, isn't it?
nene glances up when the door slides open from her little corner in the crafting room, bundled up warm in a makeshift nest. she's alone today, practicing her knitting quietly- from rushing to learn through december, to making hiyori's new scarf, she's had a lot of reason to try and work on it more- the gifts she'd given out were clumsy despite being well received, and she wants to do better. admittedly, there's a bit of a weird, heavy feeling in her stomach when she sees komaeda and ranger walking in, but she smiles despite it and sets the knitting needles down to sign out, "hello".
now, what could they want? )
What: just a nice chat :)
When: mid-january
Where: crafts room
Warnings: probably none, but will edit if needed
( if it's ever been discussed, nene's not aware of it- the tally marks and the ability to remove them, that is. but she's one of the people with only one mark on her wrist, left in view for the world to see. she understands why others hide theirs... but it's not something she ever saw a reason to do herself, and thus, from day one it's been out in the open.
so she's probably one of the best people for an experiment... if she was aware of it.
but that's what this afternoon is for, isn't it?
nene glances up when the door slides open from her little corner in the crafting room, bundled up warm in a makeshift nest. she's alone today, practicing her knitting quietly- from rushing to learn through december, to making hiyori's new scarf, she's had a lot of reason to try and work on it more- the gifts she'd given out were clumsy despite being well received, and she wants to do better. admittedly, there's a bit of a weird, heavy feeling in her stomach when she sees komaeda and ranger walking in, but she smiles despite it and sets the knitting needles down to sign out, "hello".
now, what could they want? )
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( idle chatter as he passes through the door, side by side with ranger. he likes to talk, so conversation pieces like this interest him all because it has something to do with the mind, and then the theme is a familiar topic so it could be interesting on why it would be a thing.
he turns his head to search for something to use as an example, but as he sees nene, his eyes light up with interest. )
Bingo.
( like a predator who found their prey, he walks over to where the female is sitting, but rather than circling, and backing her into a corner. he plops down on a chair, with a wave, he greets her properly as he looks up to ranger. )
Care to be an example?
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[ It's common for the AIs in simulations to become aware of the fact that a presence is watching them, especially as the simulation grows closer to the end of the run. It's inconsequential though, and it grows boring fast when simulations are akin to a chessboard. One watches how the game plays out, moves pieces as needed, and then at the end clears all the pieces and resets them. And ASUNARO had reset the gameboard hundreds of times.
Ranger holds up a hand in greeting before he takes a seat next to Komaeda. He looks between the two inquisitively before settling his gaze on his partner. He supposes that at least three people were needed to complete the effect. ]
'Kay.
[ He makes little circles with his free hand in a little go on gesture. ]
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what does that have to do with her? or are they just talking to talk? with people here, it could easily be both. frowning a little, she sits for a moment before looking back to komaeda; ranger is gesturing to him, and he's the one who asked- unless that was directed at ranger?- so whatever they're here for is probably his idea. )
What's up?
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( depends on how it's perceived, but he'll lift his right arm, tapping with his prosthetic where a yellow scarf is tied against. )
You have one tally. Imagine if, in a simulation or alternate timeline, you have zero!
( he turns to look at ranger, it shouldn't be a secret, it's not like nene has a reason to hide it. )
I wonder how that would effect everything around you?
( it's like the fruit of the loom sign without the cornucopia, but it's a nene without a tally. he reaches out, tapping the hand of her left with his index finger to point it out. )
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It's a phenomenon in which a group of people have a false memory of an event or fact.
[ He pauses for a moment. It's not difficult to explain, but Ranger's explanations are often full of jargon that he's learned is incomprehensible to a layman. It takes him a few moments to find the right way to break it down. ]
If a person describes an event, and the people listening to the description believe it's something they should remember, then sometimes people will create false memories. Then if everyone agrees to the story, then it becomes a fact, and you can rewrite history. I guess you could see it as an alternate reality, but it's actually just a mass delusion.
[ It might be more accurate to say that it was the truth being rewritten, though. Truth was nothing more than a collective agreement amongst humans, and it could be changed and modified any number of times based on new information or perspectives.
Ranger taps the expression card against his face. It's an odd example, but he continues on with it for simplicity, ]
So if we're going with Nagito said... If you erased your tally, and you started saying you never had one, then others might start to believe that. They could even create memories supporting that fact. So somebody like this guy, [ He nods to Komaeda, ] Might actually think he'd never seen a tally. If that happened, then it would be the Mandela Effect. Anyway, that's what we were talking about.
[ It's not the best example. He thinks there's far better ones, such as the deaths of famous figures, but he supposes it's simple enough. He looks to Nene now, waiting to see if he broke it down well enough, or if she has questions, or if it's just a point of conversation that they should move away from. It was an important concept, though, and a good one to learn about. ]
not how i just realized why the mandela catalogue is called what it is now
the real point of confusion is why. and why involve her? if that really is what they want, that is. slowly, she thinks as she signs- her vocabulary in jsl increases frequently, but she still misses certain words sometimes. )
And you want me to do something like that? Why?
i love the mandela catalogue its SOOOOOOOO insane thinkin bout evil jesus
Can the school and its inhabitants be tricked? It's no different from having a favorite song in your head, and one day you just simply forget. The same goes for your tally, and if someone questioned it, all you have to say is that you never had one.
( well, ranger will never simply forget, and komaeda proposing the idea won't until his dementia removes that information, but considering how this school loops, such instances can be lost in time. then it's properly refreshed, and no one knows anything different, and will probably go along with it. if rokkun's right, they'll all just forget, so who would know she ever had one tally.
that's the playful idea, now to one that brings him more thought. )
Every person that's arrived normally has one tally, or far more. Those who graduate either have very very few tallies, or a very very high number, no one in the "middle" has really graduated properly. As I say that, it's very rare for a person to have none, rather... I've only seen it once.
( he lifts his right hand, prosthetic touching where his scarf is that hides his own. komaeda remembers when he started with six, those days are long gone. )
That person is no longer here, but maybe there's something to it. To have no tallies, what's gained from that? Why do people who come here never truly have zero? I noticed at one point of time, depending on your number of tallies... the school affected us in unusual ways, do you avoid that if you have no tallies? You're the only one who can test that theory, too.
NOT EVIL JESUS i haven't seen this yet, i gotta zoom to watch it now
He switches to the ice cream cone. It's a good question. Ranger has wondered for awhile now what the exact purpose and nature of the tallies is. If it only indicated the amount of kills a person had, he might think of it as a constant reminders of those crimes one has committed and the lives they've stolen, but it represents death as well. For those who have never bloodied their hands, it acts as a permanent reminder of their mortality. Why stain those who are innocent along with those who aren't?
There's a piece missing here. ]
Hm, they represent death, right? If that's true, then if you erase the last tally, then wouldn't that be the same as erasing your death?
[ He's unable to immediately answer the question of why he'd want her to in the same way that Komaeda can, having not been the one to suggest it, and so he offers this thought for now. ]
EVIL JESUS! please do its terrifying and wonderful
but ranger raises a good point in a sense. ugh, how to... why are words even harder when you can't talk? )
I don't want to take part in messing with memories. This place does that enough.
But I've wondered for a while now if the first tally is our
( she pauses, frowning. ... e n t r- right okay. )
Entry death, or if anyone's ever come in with nothing before they killed or died.
( sou had used his lantern- they saw, bit by bit, how she died. what lead up to it. if removing the tally undid that... what would happen to her body? what would happen to the her here? she gets the feeling that it's not that simple. )
when the snake had legs and arms that was the evil snake
( how simple, it's death, but it's not about erasing deaths that happened, it's about what comes after it now. he sighs, shaking his head as he shrugs into his chair. why didn't he get an answer for that, why was rokkun so cagey to the point he didn't like to admit the truth. )
She didn't come with four, that was me mocking the system.
( anyway, this isn't about her, he sighs while crossing his arms around his chest as he looks up to the ceiling. )
You'll still be here even with it gone, that's without a doubt, but what do you gain from having none? There's no one here to tell the tale, but maybe it's only those who are luckier than us who can obtain the fabled zero tallies? It's nothing that can be ruled out, ah... interesting right?
( komaeda grows quiet, thinking over a few matters that come with it. he's erased a tally once, but it wasn't something known to the person. while he could do it again to nene without her knowing, he opts out on such behavior and tries to think about how it affected that person. no real changes, but that person didn't have one tally. )
i watched the first episode and it was wild
What was her deal? Do you know if she just came in here like that, or if she erased it? I mean, Rei doesn't have tallies either, since she's an AI. You'd think somebody would know what the deal is.
[ He has to presume that's because she was created here rather than being brought in. ]
It sounds like you either erase them, or there's some special circumstances like that. Maybe if a person was inherently tied to the system in place here. You know, the ones that wouldn't have any reason to have them... But you're right, it doesn't sound like there's any way to know until one of the people here who have one take the plunge.
[ He shrugs and to Nene's point he adds, ]
It's not like anyone's obligated to make themselves a guinea pig though.
it just goes even harder as it continues.
What makes you think there's something to be gained?
( if anything, it feels the opposite- those who've killed, those with a lot of tallies, have been able to leave the building when others couldn't or go farther past the courtyard than those with less, after all.
it doesn't make sense to her. to komaeda it's probably his toxic brand of hope. she's sort of come to hate that word, to be honest.
... whatever. she almost shifts to lean on ranger, but stops herself- not everyone in their room likes touch, after all. but she misses noah. he's safe. this feels... ... no, ranger's good to her.
her head hurts. )
the way i didnt have this tracked forgive ME
( aiko okane, someone that komeda doesn't know, but the female who created a painting that he brought to the dorm so other's could see. it was haruka's final words of she didn't want her painting to be covered in dust and seen by no one. that's the only kind thing he's done for her aside from placing her as the school's first stepping stone.
it's almost like he knows she hates the word, but he hardly cares because this is komaeda's way of speech. )
You can spread hope through the group with information you find, it'll be your own quest that you can take your time with, and choose the direction that comes from it.
( he stands up, dusting himself off because he does no good in being in one place, and he'll wander off to the left a little to look at what's on the tables and things like that. )
Maybe you'll compel them to get rid of their own tallies too, no matter how many they may have. The less tallies, the less you hurt, I've noticed that from one certain month where those were high tallies suffered. You could be given immunity, there's all sorts of theories, but... if you indulge, you can find the answers. Anyway, it's that talk of "if, if, if", why not act, do and try?
( he chews the inside of his cheeks, then is quick to bite his tongue so the taste of blood follows after. don't get irritable about the pace that people move, he invited her to this conversation so it's all about baby steps first. )
If you can't speak, then you move, it's an option that you have, and you can take advantage of. Actions speak louder than words, you know?
it's fine you're here now ties u down to this thread
He does nudge Komaeda a little now. It's not a hard push, but he offers a glance. If he pushes too hard, he's going to transform this from a discussion of options to an unappealing and pushy sales pitch. It's not their place to force the matter down someone's throat. More importantly, it's not conducive to an actual conversation on the matter. Right now, they only have options and hypotheticals, and that's as good of a stating point as any. ]
There should be others who know about this kid who had zero tallies though, right? It's not like you can't ask around. If there was something special about her, it should come up... Well, I guess it's probably a sore subject for anyone who was close.
[ Humans were so sensitive. It's such a nuisance. ]
What about the flipside? Can a person have two many tallies? I wanna say there's nobody that's gunning for that one though.
[ Probably. There were some real idiots in this place. It's not an effort to change the conversation, but rather to see it from a different angle. The majority would fall into a certain range, and zero was the floor, but was there a ceiling as well? ]
slides back into this, my bad, i was Dying-
but she still can't help but feel like something else is up.
frowning, nene crosses her arms and leans back. those with higher tallies did suffer, but they also got a bit more freedom sometimes- a risk versus reward type of thing? and aiko okane... ...
maybe nene didn't have any right to care about the dead girl. but they spoke. she hadn't wanted to die. she wanted to end this.
she deserved a better ending. but yogen doesn't grant that, and neither do the people who inhabit it. do they.
...
she doesn't have anything to say just yet, unfortunately. )
welcome back i hope u feel better!!
( of course komaeda would know something like that, it's the side of the tally spectrum he tends to be by when their moral code is like his. things happen, kills bring about hope, and standing idle does nothing but keep people waiting as they wait for someone to take the first move. his own tallies are hidden by a yellow scarf, but there's no red evident to say he's done anything— his first dance was with aiko okane, he hid it, gained it a day before his birthday, and called that a gift to himself; their hope being pushed forward. )
But... It's funny you say that, though.
( about gunning for it because komaeda was in a sense, he wanted to know what it was like. he doesn't connect his words to what ranger said, instead, moving on as he looks at nene with a smile. there's nothing aside from what's been said because there's no reason for komaeda to hide— what's said is said, he'd kill to kill, die for hope, he's an honest person and people wish for him to be a liar because he says such scary things.
he continues the conversation. )
Hm, how would they know if it was special. It's like how the natives believe we should be normal... but we're not, and that's a surprise to them. There are some odd abilities here I've seen.
( he looks at nene, blinking, smiling softly. )
But it's a gamble! We don't know if you'd get something special because you're at zero... unless somehow you can get a new mark that isn't a tally, but... that would pretty neat, but I'm sure the mechanics of this world doesn't work that way.
yes welcome back!! <3
He nods. Nothing that Komaeda says is wrong. He switches to the cat card. ]
Hm... That's true. I guess that's what would make it an experiment, and the effects might not be immediately obvious.
[ He flips to the ice cream card. They've been going on ahead with their conversation without really considering the third party here. Nene isn't stupid, but most humans aren't quite on Komaeda's level, much less that of Ranger who picks up on everything easily. He likewise turns his attention to her now. ]
What do you make of all of this, Nene?
[ Judging by his tone, he's asking generally. Aside from not shutting her out, it's good to get the opinion of someone with a different perspective than the pair of them. ]
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those with high tallies were granted more freedom when we were still stuck in the building
but they also get harsher backlash from things i think
like when the noises at night started
it's like something can't decide what it wants from them
( a simple admission: are they being rewarded or punished? do the bold who take and take get to go further so they can report back? what's the origin of such a dynamic? or is it two separate forces? )
don't you think that's a little strange?
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there was at one point where even being outside led to nausea and the need to pass out, an unfortunate turn of events considering going outside was staring to be their reward. though, he remembers something like that which he can comment on— )
Are you talking about in October? When certain students could hear sounds in the after hours...
( unfortunately for him, they didn't get anything as kind as that while he continues. )
I recall being sensitive to sunlight and loud noises, prone to vertigo upon standing or turning too quickly, and suffering harsh headaches through the day, it was like someone took an ice pick and jammed it into my skull... ow ow ow...
( thinking about it makes his head hurt a little, so he runs his prosthetic through his mess of a hair, but his fingers doesn't catch as he goes through the motion. )
At first I just passed it off as my everyday life, but others mentioned it as well.
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It's like a little game that they play, a little experiment to see what people will choose. ]
It's strange. It doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of rhyme or reason.
[ If it's like a game, though, perhaps having a high number of tallies could be something of a shortcut? Either way, what Komaeda describes sounds fairly painful. Ranger himself must not have enough tallies to gain anything, which suggests that a decent number is needed. ]
Maye it's just to see what people will do. What happens if you incentivize racking up body counts, but then start adding in consequences to match it? When does it stop being worth it? That sorta thing... Or maybe they're just disappointed at how many have piled up? Not much of a school if everybody in it is dead.
[ It is pretty quiet now. ]